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man personīgi, melnsvārču ne-līdzskrējējam, arī visvairāk riebjas šāds viedoklis, ka katram jānonāk pie dieva, etc. esmu gatavs maukt, kad man kāds saka, redz, es nokristījos - tev arī vajadzētu nokārtot attiecības ar mūsu tēvu.

No pusaudža vecuma gan sen esmu izaudzis un tavs priekšstats par to, ka visi pieaugušie atrod dievu ir diezgan smieklīgs. Tieši otrādi - pirms pusaudža vecuma bērni parasti tic dievam, jo viņi ir lētticīgi un tic visam, ko viņiem stāsta, pēctam vienkārši izaug, iemācās patstāvīgi un saprot kas notiek apkārt. Protams, tas notiek tikai, sasniedzot zināmu intelekta līmeni.
Man laikam ir paveicies - man nav daudz pazīstamu kristiešu. Pieņemu, ka cilvēkiem, kas uzauguši citā vidē, ir daudz ticīgu draugu, un līdz ar to liekas, ka visi cilvēki ir baigi ticīgie.
Vēlreiz paskaties to pētījumu, ko diskusijas sākumā minēju un pastudē korelāciju starp ticību un IQ līmeni un padomā vai daži tavi izteikumi te atbilst patiesībai.

Un es palieku pie sava viedokļa, ka reliģija bremzē cilvēces attīstību un, ja reliģija turpinās iefiltrēties valsts pārvaldē, tas pie nekā laba nenovedīs. Kautgan kristieši jau baigi cītīgi gaida jēzus otro atnākšānu un pasaules galu.

Paldies, arlabunakti, āmen, allah ahbar, jihad, utt.

Santa? Žurnāls "Santa" vai kāda cita tev pazīstama santa?

Labi, ar labu nakti! ;) Galvenais - neķer kreņķi - izaugsi no pusaudža vecuma, un arī pats atradīsi Dievu. :D

Gan ēģipietšiem gan grieķiem bija pazīstams Dievs, kurš ir pārāks par tevis minētajām daudzajām dievībām (tev jāmācās atšķirt, kas ir Dievs un, kas ir dievības - tas tev noderēs pat kā ateistam). Ēģiptiešiem tas bija Amons-Ra, vēlāk Atons, savukārt senajiem grieķiem - Teoss.

Labi, man apnika, ir svarīgākas lietas ko darīt - pilnīgi bezjēdzīgi ir runāt ar cilvēkiem, kas spēj tikai no dirsas izvilkt kautkādus safabricētus faktus vai vienkārši pilnīgas muļķības, un ir pilnīgi skaidrs, ka citos neklausās.

Varbūt tu pats gribētu iepazīties ar tēmu, nevis izlikties, ka zini visu ?

Bet nu labi, paņemsim uzskatāku piemēru, ko vienkāršiem prātiem ir vienkārši saprast - sengrieķiem un ēģiptiešiem bija vairāki dievi. Kā tu to izskaidrosi ?

agnosticisms nav nekāda reliģijas forma. Tie ir džeki, kuri nevar izlemt - ticēt tam dievam vai nē. Atturās no sprieduma. Atliek uz vēlāku laiku šo jautājumu.

Atkal atkārtošu - ja gribi diskutēt, iepazīsties ar tēmu! Hinduismā ir Dievs, līdzīgs kristiešu Trīsvienībai - to sauc par Trimurti (Brahma, Višnu un Šiva). Dievs ir viens, bet ir daudz ceļu pie Dieva.

Nē, agnosticisms ir FILOZOFISKS uzskats, ka dieva eksistenci nevar ne pierādīt ne noliegt. Kautkas pa vidu starp reliģiju un atesimu, bet nu reliģijas forma tā tiešām nav.

Un labais stils ir izmantot demagoģiju un pieņemt, ka pretinieks ir neizglītots, kautgan patiesībā neko par viņu nezini, vai ne ?

Nē, tas ir tavs kristiešu aprobežotais viedoklis. Hinduismā ir daudz dievi. Kapēc tev liekas, ka viņi kļūdās un tieši tev ir taisnība ?

Tev kā "neizglītotam ateistam" paskaidrošu, ka Dievs ir viens, bet dažādās reliģijas ir dažādi veidi, kā sasniegt vienotību ar Dievu.